Still have faith in the GOP?

In all honesty who here still have any faith in the Republican Party? Who here honestly believes that the Republicans seriously want lower taxes or a balanced budget? Who here really believe the Republicans (who have made 7 of the past 9 Supreme Court appointments) will ever end abortion? And who here believe the Republicans actually respect the sanctity of marriage when the party includes the likes of the Sodomite Larry Craig, the serial philanders Newt Gingrich and John McCain and the supporter of civil unions George W. Bush?

jeafla, welcome to the forum

In all honesty who here still have any faith in the Republican Party?

I do

The things you mentioned aren't necessarily the ideals that Republicans have. That's why they won't change.

(Btw: this is my personal opinion)

copper wrote:
The things you mentioned aren't necessarily the ideals that Republicans have. [/quote]

Then what are Republican ideals? What is it that you expect or want the Republican Party to stand for and advocate?

I didn't say that I speak for the Republicans agenda. But, for instance, this:

Who here really believe the Republicans (who have made 7 of the past 9 Supreme Court appointments) will ever end abortion?

Could very well be that the Republicans don't want abortion to be 'legal', right?

copper wrote:

I didn't say that I speak for the Republicans agenda. But, for instance, this:

Who here really believe the Republicans (who have made 7 of the past 9 Supreme Court appointments) will ever end abortion?

Could very well be that the Republicans don't want abortion to be 'legal', right?

But the Republicans do want abortion to be legal so they will have a campaign issue which they can use to drive guilible conservatives to the polls on election day. Ever since Ronald Reagan was elected president in 1980 the Republicans have said they cannot do anything about abortion until the Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade. But since 1980 Republican presidents have made 7 of the past 9 Supreme Court appointments and Roe v. Wade is still in effect.

I have absolutely NO FAITH in the GOP anymore. When the Dems have power they do something with it---what they do sucks but at least they use their power. When we have it we do nothing except make excuses and try to make sure we are acceptable to the media. We spend more time trying to have a "big tent' instead of saying what needs to be said:

1] Abortion is Murder

2] Supporting Illegal Immigrants is wrong
and bankrupting our Country

3] Crushing Christianity--one of the
founding platforms of our Country is
eliminating all morality

4] Taxing the "rich" and big business
kills all incentive to produce and
exceed

5] Our move towards Socialism is obvious
and the GOP does nothing to aggressively
counteract the demise of America

The Republican Party has become a joke and irrelevant. Although I have only voted Republican for the last 30 years, from now on I will sit on my hands and watch them crumble into dust from lack of support---which is exactly what they deserve.

What is the alternative, Max?

copper wrote:

What is the alternative, Max?

what I see happening is the creation of a third party that is conservative on social issues and center to center left on economic issues.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...cially_liberal

As of 2007 41% of Americans say they are say they are conservative on fiscal issues while 43% are moderates and only 12% are liberals. 37% are conservative on social issues while 30% are moderates and 30% are liberals. The biggest single group is the 24% that is conservative on both fiscal and social issues while only 17% are moderates and only 9% are liberals both socially and fiscally.

24% of Americans are conservative in both categories (social and fiscal) and another 21% is conservative in one category or the other. So 46% of Americans are not liberals either socially or fiscally.

17% of Americans are moderates in both categories.

Only 29% of the Americans are liberals in one category or the other.

So conservatives would need the votes of only 29.4% plus 1 vote of the moderates to win an election (29.4% of the 17% that are moderates in both categories to have 50% of the vote plus 1 vote to have a majority). Liberals could win 100% of the votes from moderates and still only have 46% of the vote.

The only reason liberals ever win an election in a two-way race is because few people who are conservative on social issues make their electoral choices based only on social issues. A fiscally moderate party that has conservative positions on social issues could easily win a national election.

I don’t have the statistics at the moment, but I have seen it reported that while Obama carried the state of California with majorities from both black and Hispanic voters these same voters gave majority support to California’s ban on same-sex marriage even though Obama supports same-sex marriage/civil unions. I haven’t seen the electoral breakdown, but Obama also carried the state of Florida while Florida voters were enacting a same-sex marriage ban.

There is a reservoir of social conservatism in the minority community that Republicans will never be able to tap in to because of their unholy alliance with libertarians. And at the same time social conservatives may someday decide to abandon the GOP because the GOP really doesn’t want social conservatives around except on Election Day.

Election results show that most voters vote mainly on economic issues, but at the same time a candidate/party is not hurt by being socially conservative. If McCain and Co. had gotten off of their less government rhetoric, the last election would have been much closer. But then the country cannot afford a bigger government.